Will the AFS2 engine support glider towing and release?

  • Just wondering why no one seems to be working on the tow hitch and release mechanism so we can ground start the many sailplanes. The PLZ-104 Wilga 80 seems like a shoo-in for the tow plane. Didn't the original Aerofly have glider towing?


    Here is a Golden Oriole, a Polish STOL Wilga being readied for AFS2


    Regards,

    Ray

  • I 've asked the same question some time ago but it not seems to be a priority for the moment.

    Can we imagine a plane simulator without take off ? Why would it be different for a glider ? And yet, the glider take off is more interesting and technical than a plane one...


    Like you I realy regret that...


    Regards

  • I am not asking IPACS to change any priorities, I am just wondering if some of our developers with an interest in sailplanes might take it on as a project. Provided it is even possible with the current edition of the IPACS engine.


    There must be some limitations or Jan probably would have already worked up something as he is a glider pilot. Just guessing.


    Regards,

    Ray

  • Sailplane towing, with wilga or even DR400 (very popular for such activity in Europe), would be absolutely great.


    We can dream, if in a far away future, multiplayer would be implemented in Afs2. And of course, someone can pilot the towing plane....


    We can dream, even of some kind of simple AI (like simple silly towing function like in Xplane now... at least, we could simulate a basic towing action...


    Or I remember of an Aerosoft add-on for fsx, with some kind of winch towing system with their Discus add-on....which was not so bad snd could be perhaps implemented in Afs2


    And of course I remember about the (was it a discus ? Probably) other sailplane we had in Aerofly fs 1, which was a very nice modeled sailplane, with retractable little engine, able to take off, then soar....


    I still think that Aerofly fs2 could be a fantastic sailplane simulator, once thermal and ridge lift are a little bit optimised.... but of course I know and understand, it is not a priority for the majority.


    Anyway, I’m sure some other collegues here like us would welcome in a far far future, such an add-on.


    Happy weekend

  • I learned to fly gliders in Florida so all that amounted to was how high would you like to release? We rented gliders in 15 min blocks of time and tried to get back to the designated landing area or at least close enough for a trailer to come get us.


    I was in Hawaii in the early 90s and while riding around I noticed a bunch of gliders at the waters edge up near Dillingham.


    It took at couple of tries to find the correct highway. Most ended up at one of the military bases and they wouldn't let us drive out the other side. I finally found the place and walked in with my log book and asked what kind of checkout would I need. The answer was Mastercharge or Visa. This was the first time I had ever taken a passenger up in a glider and my wife thought it was great for about 10 minutes and then She was bored.


    You could stay up all day long along a ridge on that corner of Oahu. Unfortunately, there are a cluster of radar domes protecting us from the 2nd wave of Japanese and the Army gets pi$$ed at the glider pilots doing turns around a point on their antennas. Heck, I thought that were waving at us, duh.


    Fortunately the gliders have very small numbers on them and they all look alike. I was long gone by the time someone drove out an asked who the idiot was that was circling the radar domes.


    Fun stuff.


    With all these new developers showing up all at once, we need to keep asking about a basic tow and release. After all, this is a simulator and we are having to imagine all kinds of stuff while we wait for the real simulation. Maybe someone at Aerosoft will adapt their K Discus for AFS2.

    Anyone know this tow plane? Maybe we can get it ported over.


  • Sorry but I don't have any news on this topic. We had a glider winch launch in Aerofly FS 1 which was loaded as a separate object and then connected to the glider but this functionality was dropped due to a significant performance hit. It was not optimized for our purposes and will need to be redone once we get time for that. Krzysk and I made a mod for FS 1 where we replaced the winch physics with the Dr400 physics and got that working as well. The issue back then was that the takeoff was not really straight and we never got around to making the airplane land. But as you can imagine this hack doesn't work in FS 2.


    I am a glider pilot, too and I will do the best I can to add in a glider tow and glider winch launch but at the moment it is just not possible without interrupting other projects that we are working on.

  • In all honesty, since Condor has converted to VR, I haven't flown the ASG-29 in AFS2 once. Maybe if thermals also get done right, but until that moment I would say that AFS2 had best develop in the areas it's already strong in. And become a great GA / medium size aircraft sim. Because let's be honest, real glider pilots won't be interested in using an 'OK' gliding sim when there is a specialised one.

  • In all honesty, since Condor has converted to VR, I haven't flown the ASG-29 in AFS2 once. Maybe if thermals also get done right, but until that moment I would say that AFS2 had best develop in the areas it's already strong in. And become a great GA / medium size aircraft sim. Because let's be honest, real glider pilots won't be interested in using an 'OK' gliding sim when there is a specialised one.

    It's true, but condor VR graphics and fluidity are for the moment far away of the ASF2 ones.

    ASF2 will never replace Condor but it could be a good begining for simulating gliding.

  • Just a couple of posts above Jan left the door open for some sort of development of a simple tow winch at some time in the future. We will just have to keep beating the bushes and hope to flush out a developer with an interest in basic sailplanes and towing.


    Regards,

    Ray

  • This is something that is certainly on our list, and Jan is also a big fan of it, but it will still be quite some time before we can get to it. We have much bigger fish to fry at the moment :)

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