R22: Changed Flight Model [Professional Mode] ??

  • I still have to say, its broken for me, and I'm on the verge of giving up.


    In "easy" mode, if I use the vr hands to pull back on the collective, there is also a very gentle adjustment to the rudder, I suspect to help in controllability.


    Use an Xbox controller, or even the VR thumbsticks to move the collective up/down, and the pedals/rudder are violently yanked from side to side, throwing the copter out of control. I simply can't use it.

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  • HiFlyer : We have another report where the XBox controller seems to give issues in Easy Mode with the R22. Please give us a little time to look into this issue, it seems like we are mixing up different things in this thread, so what you report looks like a problem.

  • HiFlyer : We just updated the Steam version. Could you please try the R22 again with either Xbox controller or VR controllers in Easy Mode. Is it controllable now?

    Yes!!! Finally my evil, rudder-stomping invisible copilot has been retired.

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  • Perhaps Torsten Jan and Jeff could consider allowing profi mode in mobile (and fixing the reverse movement mobile turn coordinator). After using profi R 22 in PC, the mobile permanant easy mode is simply unpleasant. PC and the brilliant 2019 are delightfully close but the R 22 is an exception.

  • HiFlyer : We just updated the Steam version. Could you please try the R22 again with either Xbox controller or VR controllers in Easy Mode. Is it controllable now?

    dvd updated too?

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  • Well, I agree with the thread-creator.


    Current profi mode of the R22 has become almost unenjoyable, at least for me.

    Why? Too easy to fly, almost no difference to easy mode.


    The previous profi mode was literally a true MASTERPIECE of IPACS - it was challanging but well to fly with additional hardware, like a seperate collective stick and pedals of course.

    It felt vivid, dynamic and almost like airborne, although just sitting in front of a PC with TrackIR.


    I've tried almost every advanced helicopter simulation among various publishers (FSX, P3D,XPlane, DCS, AFS2) exempted Dodosim's Bell - but IPACS's Robinson was unique, shiny, special, serious business , it was outstanding.


    Now it has changed to something like good but not exceptional furthermore - one more R22 among other Robinson renditions, almost comparable to that one of FSX.


    And I don't agree with Sergio Costas article: It has not changed "slightly" , it has changed serious - and not for good so far.

  • Iv also tried to give this new model a chance, but in my opinion its not as real as the previous one. I fly with flightlink professional helicopter controls, collective with twist throttle, floor mounted cyclic and helicopter pedals. I have 180 hours in the real R22 and in my humble opinion the previous model was a much closer redemption of the real R22, it was not at all difficult to fly (if you have the propper controls) it felt just right. My only criticism of it was the exagerated yaw at the end of an auto when you recover by adding throttle, and also the speed could be tweeked a bit, it didn't accelerate after transision quite as much as the real R22, (a working fuel system and carb heat would also be welcomed) but those critisms are minor and I was more than happy to live with them. Unfortunately now I'm finding myself flying DCS huey more than Aeroflys R22 because the new flight model is just not as enjoyable as the previous one.


    simple test , real R22 and previous flight model, when you lift off in the real R22 and the previous flight model you need to apply a little bit of left pedal in anticipation of the rotor torque that will catch you when you pull collective , once you apply left pedal and catch the spin you need to stabelize all other movement with the pedals and cyclic before gently raising the collective to lift off into the air. this model requires almost zero left pedal and zero stabelization, you can just pop in to the air without hardly any correction. the previous model was spot on in this regard.

    how real pilots are saying that it is more accurate now is beyond me!

    The worst day of flying still beats the best day of real work.

  • simple test , real R22 and previous flight model, when you lift off in the real R22 and the previous flight model you need to apply a little bit of left pedal in anticipation of the rotor torque that will catch you when you pull collective , once you apply left pedal and catch the spin you need to stabelize all other movement with the pedals and cyclic before gently raising the collective to lift off into the air. this model requires almost zero left pedal and zero stabelization, you can just pop in to the air without hardly any correction. the previous model was spot on in this regard.

    how real pilots are saying that it is more accurate now is beyond me!

    There must be something seriously wrong with your setup, the new flight model still needs massive left pedal input to counter the torque induced yaw during takeoff and still a whole lot of cyclic corrections to counter the roll tendencies, it just doesn't bounce from full left to full right within a fraction of a second or by moving the pedals or cyclic by the a millimeter anymore like it did before. Are you sure you checked the professional mode checkbox?

  • Are you sure you checked the professional mode checkbox?

    Maybe, because the checkbox is not very obvious - it is a white square in my case, when active.

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  • Unfortunately now I'm finding myself flying DCS huey more than Aeroflys R22 because the new flight model is just not as enjoyable as the previous one.


    Exactly me the same. I'm missing the previous version of the R22's Expert Mode a lot !!! ; it felt so real, just right.


    Before its changes the AFS2 Robinson was one of my favourite helicopters to fly in sim. For now (changed Expert Mode) it has become only my third choice, and I prefer other sims to fly helicopters again - like the time before IPACS published the R22.


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    "... this model requires almost zero left pedal and zero stabelization, you can just pop in to the air without hardly any correction. the previous model was spot on in this regard.

    how real pilots are saying that it is more accurate now is beyond me!


    Maybe there is still an undetected bug below the surface which has prevented a correct update of the R22's Expert Mode among various users of AFS2. Which could have led to different results in how the updated Robinson behaves during Expert Mode.


    This would explain why some users call the changes "slight" and others - like me - "serious", regarding this " issue of stabilization ", especially during take off/landing.


    And yes, I know how to activate the Expert Mode; and I still know when it's in ON/OFF position, have checked in hundred times.