Gibraltar now available from TriSoftSim

Thanks, I was looking for it a few weeks ago, seems to be a good scenery.

MSFS is not out, It won't have VR support or helicopters when it comes out. And it probably needs more then a budget game computer to run in VR at all when it supports VR somewhere in the future.....

Don't fly flatscreen anymore, I have four simulators on my PC and everyone has it's merits, will have a look at MSFS when VR is supported....

MSFS was listed on an Australian site for sale around $A99 but as a pre-order for $A88 for Xbox...

https://www.gamesmen.com.au/microsoft-flight-simulator

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MSFS is not out, It won't have VR support or helicopters when it comes out. And it probably needs more then a budget game computer to run in VR at all when it supports VR somewhere in the future.....

Don't fly flatscreen anymore, I have four simulators on my PC and everyone has it's merits, will have a look at MSFS when VR is supported....

"It won't have VR support or helicopters" - that'll be enough for me to give it nothing more than a cursory glance for now. VR and Helo's are my main reason for simming

And then we have to wait to see how good the flight modelling is on helicopters....I prefer a realistic flight model above graphics or anything else and Aerofly's R22 is the best we have now on the consumer market.

Well done but sorry to say this: still no water, still these clouds, no weather, no ATC, no landing and taxi lights lightning the ground. Things that have been promised since I started with Aerofly FS2 three years ago. VR is still great but I have definitely lost confidence in IPACS, there is too little development. A hidden agenda I guess.

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Well done but sorry to say this: still no water, still these clouds, no weather, no ATC, no landing and taxi lights lightning the ground. Things that have been promised since I started with Aerofly FS2 three years ago. VR is still great but I have definitely lost confidence in IPACS, there is too little development. A hidden agenda I guess.

Maybe a case of being careful what we wish for? I'm sure they could add all that stuff, but will AF2 then revert to the stuttering mess that many other sims can become in VR? Probably part of (if not the main reason for) these fantastic frame rates and feeling of fluidity that I've seen on no other flight sim is because we DON'T have all of those things?

If you want all that stuff, maybe use another sim? I currently switch backwards and forwards between XP11 with all of it's feeling of life (real weather, real traffic, global scenery etc) and AF2 (awesome VR) depending on what mood I'm in.

I think if a perfect sim existed, we'd all be using it. Even MS2020 isn't going to have what I'm looking for by the sound of it (VR and Heli's).

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still no water, still these clouds, no weather, no ATC, no landing and taxi lights lightning the ground

You are so right Tom, but this is nothing a scenery maker could change, even not a good one.

All I am asking for is clarity. Clear communication. As a customer I expect that a company is communicating witth me like we all do in relationships. If they are not able to develope the landing lights or taxilights, ok, I can live with that and also with the missing water when I know the reason why it is not done. But silence I hate as I hate in partnership. All IPACS risks is assumptions and speculations we see again and again in this forum.

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All I am asking for is clarity. Clear communication. As a customer I expect that a company is communicating witth me like we all do in relationships. If they are not able to develope the landing lights or taxilights, ok, I can live with that and also with the missing water when I know the reason why it is not done. But silence I hate as I hate in partnership. All IPACS risks is assumptions and speculations we see again and again in this forum.

That's fair comment. And I agree, some clarity on the direction things are taking would be useful. Without it, it's human instinct to think the worst, e.g. it's not what we might want to hear.

This is the Gibraltar thread that's why I don't want to argue any longer here.

We all end up play xbox with microsoft if not careful

Do not forget that ms make games for xbox them port them into pc

Many will be shocked to discover need high performance system when is out

Or of course buy xbox

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Well done but sorry to say this: still no water, still these clouds, no weather, no ATC, no landing and taxi lights lightning the ground. Things that have been promised since I started with Aerofly FS2 three years ago. VR is still great but I have definitely lost confidence in IPACS, there is too little development. A hidden agenda I guess.

Just out of curiosity - who exactly "PROMISED" you all these features? And why are you so negative, and what the heck does MSFS 2020 have to do with it? They have certainly NOT promised you helicopters OR VR-support, both of which are the main reason a lot of us use AFS2

I like Gibraltar. I think the detail is good. Worth the money imho.

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Just out of curiosity - who exactly "PROMISED" you all these features? And why are you so negative, and what the heck does MSFS 2020 have to do with it? They have certainly NOT promised you helicopters OR VR-support, both of which are the main reason a lot of us use AFS2

Where do I mention MSFS 2020?

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Where do I mention MSFS 2020?

My apologies - that part was unwarranted - I conflated you with Tup61

Installed Gibraltar today, good scenery but....works only in OpenGL for me and another user:RE: AFS 2 Vulcan Crash

No problems with other scenery, I normally run Vulkan for better performance. Maybe the developers can have a look at it?