Navigation Database AIRAC Cycle, Navigraph

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I think you still don't quite understand. We need to do the process anyway. So why should we add additional work for us to enable you to work do the same but with extra hurdles? Renewing the database is only possible if it is affordable and accessible.

Well, I don't know if it's financially viable for you or not, but it's extremely necessary for us users, Aerofly is perfect in everything, but in terms of navigation data it's very backward, I don't think it's cool at all that I can't use charts for that most of its information is up to date and the simulator is out of date, not being able to carry out some procedures, etc.

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I think you still don't quite understand. We need to do the process anyway. So why should we add additional work for us to enable you to work do the same but with extra hurdles? Renewing the database is only possible if it is affordable and accessible.

You will do the work. That's the best. Because you have been putting off dealing with the navigation data issue until now. As before, basic functions are worth paying more attention to than more flashy aircraft.

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We still need to find a navigation database that we can purchase that doesn't cost us millions and raises the app price by 100$...

I do not think that there are so many navigation databases around. Either you can afford it or not and what you are telling us is you can't.

Quote from FlyOverAsia

As we all know, Aerofly FS Global, the latest version of the Aerofly FS series, still uses old navigation data. With the global map open to players. The problem of outdated navigation data is becoming more and more serious.

I know that updating navigation data from time to time is impossible for IPACS and Aerofly FS, it will consume a lot of time and manpower. But not updating for so many years is really not a good idea.

In Aerofly FS Global, old navigation data would steer the aircraft in the wrong direction. Some new or renovated airports even don’t have data. Could imagine the autopilot of an airplane landing an airplane on a taxiway next to a runway? These problems are not limited to a few airports. This results in many airports around the world having to use inaccurate waypoints that we have positioned ourselves. Or we can only approach the airport visually.

This is disastrous in the pursuit of realistic flight simulation.

There is no doubt that this problem needs to be solved urgently. Here are two solutions:

1. Change the transmission form of navigation data to streaming media. After the navigation data is updated, not all navigation data will change in all areas. So you only need to push new data where there is data update.

2. Expose applicable navigation data handling methods to player developers. If we need the latest data, we can always update it. This can also reduce your workload.

If you can, take action by all means.

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I suggested Navigraph support for airac update but no developer took my suggestion seriously. It seems that they really don't want to bring this support to update navigation data and thus make our lives easier. Again Navigraph support is paid for by the users themselves and not by the developers. I cited the example of X-Plane mobile as a basis for Aerofly developers to understand how Navigraph works. I requested a response from the moderator here on the forum but was promptly ignored. This is extremely irritating.🤨

Quote from Jet-Pack (IPACS)

That's not what I said.

We still need to find a navigation database that we can purchase that doesn't cost us millions and raises the app price by 100$...
The rest of the process is somewhat easy, we already did all that with our current database so the process is already known.

I see. Where did you get your navigation data before? Because Aerofly FS now has real navigation data from previous versions.

Please read these posts I made here which contain valuable information on how to definitively resolve the Aerofly's outdated airac problem. You will understand in a simple and practical way how Navigraph support works. FlyOverAsia

Quote from FlyOverAsia

I see. Where did you get your navigation data before? Because Aerofly FS now has real navigation data from previous versions.

Currently using the navigation database of "NavTech" company

Quote from FlyWorld

Please read these posts I made here which contain valuable information on how to definitively resolve the Aerofly's outdated airac problem. You will understand in a simple and practical way how Navigraph support works. FlyOverAsia

okay, thank you.

Quote from FlyWorld

I suggested Navigraph support for airac update but no developer took my suggestion seriously. It seems that they really don't want to bring this support to update navigation data and thus make our lives easier. Again Navigraph support is paid for by the users themselves and not by the developers. I cited the example of X-Plane mobile as a basis for Aerofly developers to understand how Navigraph works. I requested a response from the moderator here on the forum but was promptly ignored. This is extremely irritating.🤨

I completely agree with you, a navigraph support would really be great, everyone pays their subscription to have an updated navigraph and everyone would be happy, because seriously, the outdated airac is very annoying

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I completely agree with you, a navigraph support would really be great, everyone pays their subscription to have an updated navigraph and everyone would be happy, because seriously, the outdated airac is very annoying

This airac update is the responsibility of Navigraph from the moment the user purchases a subscription, whether monthly or annual. It is the most practical and viable solution to solve this outdated airac problem on Aerofly.

This is the Navigraph website for those who don't know👇🏽👇🏽

Navigraph - Flight Simulation Charts, Navigation Data and Flight Planning

Navigraph - Flight Simulation Charts, Navigation Data and Flight Planning

navigraph.com

Quote from Jet-Pack (IPACS)

raises the app price by 100$

We are back to Navigraph (it's the user price per year)

Quote from FrankLFRS

We are back to Navigraph (it's the user price per year)

The Navigraph also has a monthly subscription which is a cheaper option. It currently costs €9.05. This Navigraph support is very good because, in addition to being used to update navigation data, it is also used for flight planning in addition to having Jeppesen charts from airports around the world.

Quote from FlyWorld

It currently costs €9.05

Almost 11 €/m in France. But it is the price to pay.

Quote from FrankLFRS

Almost 11 €/m in France. But it is the price to pay.

But for example you can subscribe for one month, get the charts for that month period and update your simulator´s navdata to the latest Airac and at least in X-Plane that update doesn´t get deleted at the end of that month it´s your to keep afaik. So that would be a cheap and easy way to update the 10 year old Aerofly Airac.

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But for example you can subscribe for one month, get the charts for that month period and update your simulator´s navdata to the latest Airac

Business is business, it does not work like this.

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But for example you can subscribe for one month, get the charts for that month period and update your simulator´s navdata to the latest Airac and at least in X-Plane that update doesn´t get deleted at the end of that month it´s your to keep afaik. So that would be a cheap and easy way to update the 10 year old Aerofly Airac.

It's true what you wrote. And browsing data is not deleted unless the user uninstalls the simulator. It works this way in X-Plane 11, 12 and the mobile version. Even MFS 2020 has support for updating airac with Navigraph. The screenshots below are from X-Plane mobile. Note that in the settings menu there is the NavData option for connecting to Navigraph and consequently updating navigation data. All these files that make up airac only occupy a very small part of the cell phone's memory.

Quote from FrankLFRS

Business is business, it does not work like this.

Access to Navigraph charts only works while you are subscribed of course but navigation data on your sim (the Airac cycle database you download to your sim) is not deleted once you cancel your subscription so although you can not update it anymore if you no longer have an active subscription you can still use that (outdated) data. In X-Plane this data measures about 150 Mb.

In the past Navigraph used to offer a cheaper plan for updating Navigation data only but now they only offer a $10/month flat rate plan (charts, navdata and current Simbrief Airac).

Quote from rocco_mx

Access to Navigraph charts only works while you are subscribed of course but navigation data on your sim (the Airac cycle database you download to your sim) is not deleted once you cancel your subscription so although you can not update it anymore if you no longer have an active subscription you can still use that (outdated) data. In X-Plane this data measures about 150 Mb.

In the past Navigraph used to offer a cheaper plan for updating Navigation data only but now they only offer a $10/month flat rate plan (charts, navdata and current Simbrief Airac).

Navigraph bought Simbrief if I'm not mistaken. Even so, it is still possible to plan a flight for free through the same Simbrief.