Cessna 172 won’t spin!

  • Have you turned,

    Analog auto centering off

    Rudder control enabled

    Turned every possible Flight Assistant option OFF, that is TURNED OFF !

    and then looked for a realistic simulation of a flying aeroplane in your mobile device?

    I use tilt control (with low sensitivity) and the Cessna easily gives wing drop in the stall with power off AND with 2,000 rpm of power left on AND with suicidal/incompetent use of aileron at the stall.

    It is reasonably realistic, the real plane is more lively and demands the classic no aileron input and alert and immediate rudder input (keeping the ball in the middle) to stall wings level. Even then it can drop a wing significantly which really keeps you on your toes (level the wings with rudder). The Cessna is a good training aeroplane.

    When you say you are not touching the rudder you might not have read up or watched stalls correctly, rudder is required. Set up your mobile device as above and try the stall techniques you look up. YouTube is good.


    Your post is titled Cessna 172 won’t spin. In reality any Cessna 172 SPIN videos you find will have the instructor holding rudder on during the ‘spin’. The Cessna 172 probably will recover into a spiral dive with neutral rudder. I’ve done real spins in a Cessna 150/2 Aerobat. In a real spin you are staring right down at the ground you are going to hit, weight on your shoulder straps.

    If you really want to spin an Aerofly plane the F-18 will do a stable inverted spin and recover with correct rudder, at least in FS2 or FS2019 when I last did it. Inverted spins are more advanced and more dangerous, they are very confusing. You might like to watch the BBC Test Pilot series episode 3 on YouTube.

    The Jungmeister will sort of spin if you keep pulling ‘the stick’ back but it doesn’t even need rudder to recover, easing ‘the stick’ forward will stop it.

    Edited 2 times, last by Overloaded (June 4, 2024 at 7:24 AM).

  • I have all the assists off.


    I don’t want to compare to the “other” good mobile sim, but the wing drop and spiral are much more pronounced there.

    I confess I’ve never practiced spins in real life , just regular stall recovery in a C152


    To be correct, the airplane does bank to the left a bit as long as the yoke is full back, and goes into a turn losing altitude, but the nose stays level even though the stall horn is beeping . There is no spiral so to speak off

    Edited 2 times, last by Jet-Pack (IPACS): Merged a post created by Turbinerd into this post. (June 4, 2024 at 4:56 PM).

  • To be correct, the airplane does bank to the left a bit as long as the yoke is full back, and goes into a turn losing altitude, but the nose stays level even though the stall horn is beeping . There is no spiral so to speak off

    I tried to make a video. This looks like a spin. Is yours similar?

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  • I tried to make a video. This looks like a spin. Is yours similar?

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    I think he is refering to flatspin

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    War

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  • I tried to make a video. This looks like a spin. Is yours similar?

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    Not at all. I’m simply dropping altitude within a turn at about 45 degree bank angle . Are you applying any rudder or aileron? All I am doing is holding the phone so that the yoke is pulled towards the pilot as much as possible .

  • With the throttle off, I reduced the speed below 60 knots, near the stall speed. Then I firmly pull the stick back while moving the rudder in the desired direction. This is the spin input method for practice.

    Edit:

    Ailerons are not required. In Spin, only one of the wings falls through, the inner one. In this case, the aircraft starts to self-spin, a kind of autorotation. During spin, the speed is constant. The video also shows that it is about 60 knots. It seems that on the Cessna, all you have to do is put the rudder and elevator in neutral to eliminate the spin. After that, the speed increases rapidly.

    Edited once, last by Small Planes (June 5, 2024 at 8:52 AM).

  • With the throttle off, I reduced the speed below 60 knots, near the stall speed. Then I firmly pull the stick back while moving the rudder in the desired direction. This is the spin input method for practice.

    Even without rudder, you should have a dramatic wing drop because one wing will lose lift before the other one. I get a mild wing drop , then the aircraft stabilizes in turn with the stall warning blaring as I hold the yoke pulled. This is a power off stall BTW. Continuing to keep the elevator full up has the airplane slowly drop altitude , wallowing or turning, and eventually settle on the ground without damage, depending on the bank angle.

    Edited 2 times, last by Turbinerd (June 5, 2024 at 1:46 PM).

  • Without rudder the aircraft should remain and a somewhat coordinated and symmetric flight and because it's using a forgiving airfoil it won't drop a wing brutally and go into a spin like an aerobatics stunt plane (real world and in Aerofly). There probably are airplanes out there that drop one wing first but it's probably due to flying un-coordinated e.g. due to p-factor or rudder trim tabs.

  • Even without rudder, you should have a dramatic wing drop because one wing will lose lift before the other one. I get a mild wing drop , then the aircraft stabilizes in turn with the stall warning blaring as I hold the yoke pulled. This is a power off stall BTW. Continuing to keep the elevator full up has the airplane slowly drop altitude , wallowing or turning, and eventually settle on the ground without damage, depending on the bank angle.

    Yes, but it's not a spin. The Cessna was designed to be easy to drive. It is also called a flying stroller. It is difficult to fall into spin on its own, so you have to force it. This is necessary so that the student pilot learns how to get out of the spin. Until you learn this, you cannot fly alone. Except, of course, the Airbus pilots. (At least until the disaster of Air France flight 447, the stall was not taught to the Airbus crews, saying that the Airbus was not capable of stalling.) Anyway, with this controlled stall, in reality, I don't think you can land without injury.

    If you're wondering what old school machines were like, try the Bucker Jungmeister. This is an aerobatic version of the two-seat Bucker Jungmann trainer that was used in many flight schools in the past.

  • A Cessna can drop a wing in the stall, that is what makes it interesting. Pilot action is supposed to catch and correct the wing drop. As Small Planes has said a spin is very different. You will have to go out of your way to find spin instruction, my first spins were in a quite sophisticated fully aerobatic Aeronca/American Champion Citabria.

    A (Original PC and mobile Aerofly FS and PC Aerofly FS2) Piper PA 28 Cherokee/Warrior/Archer/Arrow stall will always just wallow wings level. (Extreme really stupid, (solo), not in any book, manoeuvring abuse can accidentally spin a PA 28 into a very dangerous flat spin but the more intelligent than me vast majority of people should never experience that. Spins in a PA 28 are prohibited.)

    The Corsair wing drop stall is fully authentic, the simulation in Aerofly is really good.

  • An example of how benign today's airplanes are: I recently read that for the ASK-21 training glider you have to buy a separate kit for practicing the spin. This is a metal ballast that can be placed in the tail, which places the center of gravity of the glider further back.

  • Yes, but it's not a spin. The Cessna was designed to be easy to drive. It is also called a flying stroller. It is difficult to fall into spin on its own, so you have to force it.

    With full rudder if enters a spiral but it recovers right away with neutral controls.



    Without rudder, the 172 kn XPlane mobile exhibits a dramatic wing drop, but also recovers on its own