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Ec-135 bug

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  • July 26, 2025 at 10:09 PM
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    • July 26, 2025 at 10:09 PM
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    Ipad9.
    In the latest versions (1.05.05, 1.05.06) I cannot fly with the helicopter with Autopilot and Atrim turned off. In older versions it was possible to fly.

    I’m on iOS.

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    • July 27, 2025 at 5:03 AM
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    Do you mean locked cyclic stick before you press the red button?

    Pressing the red button ‘frees the stuck actuators’, a fault I reported a couple of weeks ago. The 135 is still fun with all the assistance off. Here is popping in for lunch at the Heligrill. There is a retired Mil Mi-8 parked there in real life, visible in Google Earth and in my Steam sale treat, my new nav-aid ident simulator (otherwise known as MSFS 2020) You must have seen a few of them in Hungary?

    Slow approach, 004 feet up on the radio/radar altimeter.

    Edited once, last by Overloaded (July 27, 2025 at 5:29 PM).

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    • July 27, 2025 at 9:16 AM
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    Before takeoff I press the "AP" and "A TRIM" buttons=red button. Then after takeoff the helicopter does increasingly wild things, in the end it practically does not respond to moving the cyclic.

    I’m on iOS.

    Edited once, last by Small Planes (July 27, 2025 at 9:27 AM).

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    • July 27, 2025 at 5:32 PM
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    Oops, my post edit missed your recent post. On my iPad pressing the cyclic red button frees the stick and it behaves normally.

    Edit. Pressing the red button also works on the ground.

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    • July 27, 2025 at 6:00 PM
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    There is a retired Mil Mi-8 parked there in real life, visible in Google Earth and in my Steam sale treat, my new nav-aid ident simulator (otherwise known as MSFS 2020) You must have seen a few of them in Hungary?

    I even flew on the Mi-8 as a passenger. Once, long ago, we were called to Börgönd (LHBD) for a week-long military exercise. At that time, Börgönd was a military airport, there were Mi 2 and green military Ka 26 helicopters there. We flew from Dunaújváros (LHDV) to Börgönd in two yellow Kamovs each, the soldiers took us from Börgönd to Dunaújváros twice in Mi-8s. There was a lot of commotion... :)

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    • July 28, 2025 at 8:36 AM
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    Oops, my post edit missed your recent post. On my iPad pressing the cyclic red button frees the stick and it behaves normally.

    Edit. Pressing the red button also works on the ground.

    When I turn off the autopilot with the red button, the cyclyc moves and I can fly the helicopter. It's interesting because it worked with the other two buttons turned off. So sorry, this phenomenon is not a bug.

    I’m on iOS.

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    • July 28, 2025 at 9:30 AM
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    Are you flying with virtual analog on-screen stick or device tilt?

    Please test if switching between the two options in the settings changes the results.

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    • July 28, 2025 at 11:02 AM
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    Tilt: The result with the red button is ok, with the ap and a-trim buttons is wrong.

    Analog: all buttons are ok.

    I usually fly with the "tilt" setting.


    It seems to me that the EC autopilot has been reprogrammed and with this turned off autopilot the EC is much more realistic than, for example, the R22. Because if I take off carefully with turned off autopilot with the EC without using the rudder, the helicopter turns to the right. The R22 does not do this, but the EC has not done it before either. (For example, not in AF 2022.) So if it true, then bravo IPACS. :)

    I’m on iOS.

    Edited once, last by Jet-Pack (IPACS): Merged a post created by Small Planes into this post. (July 28, 2025 at 1:59 PM).

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    • July 28, 2025 at 2:04 PM
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    We haven't changed anything regarding the autopilot, so this issue must have existed before. I'll try to add a fix for it.

    Regards,

    Jan

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    • July 28, 2025 at 2:21 PM
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    Ok, thanks. But I just looked again in AF 2022 and the helicopter can still be flown by pressing the AP, A-TRIM buttons with "tilt" setting, but not in the latest versions of AF Global. I can't say anything else...

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    • July 28, 2025 at 2:29 PM
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    Ok, thanks. But I just looked again in AF 2022 and the helicopter can still be flown by pressing the AP, A-TRIM buttons with "tilt" setting, but not in the latest versions of AF Global. I can't say anything else...

    Oh, that old, a lot has changed since then. I thought you meant before the recent updates.

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    • July 28, 2025 at 5:22 PM
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    I meant that turning off the two pedestal buttons freezes the cyclic BUT even on the ground pressing the cyclic red button will then un-freeze the cyclic. Pressing the red button only is good in flight or on the ground.

    Yes Small Planes the live response 135 is far more interesting😎

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