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U-60 Bug

  • Captain AE
  • June 14, 2023 at 2:50 PM
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    • June 14, 2023 at 2:50 PM
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    There is a bug in the U-60 helicopter in aerofly fs 2023, where, of you do extreme maneuvers, the rotors will clip inside the body.

    Screenshot attached

    Edited once, last by Captain AE (June 14, 2023 at 5:05 PM).

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    • June 14, 2023 at 6:44 PM
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    These rotor blades also do other interesting things…

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    • June 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM
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    IPACS Kinda needs to make the animation during rough operations better.. maybe some sparks or breaking or rotoa would be nice!

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    • June 14, 2023 at 10:37 PM
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    This is how these rotor blades actually move when the helicopter is flying forward. The one moving forward rises and falls behind, the one moving backwards sinks and rushes forward. In reality, however, this back-and-forth movement and flapping up and down is limited by bumpers and dampened by shock absorbers. Maybe this is not well simulated.

    Edited once, last by Small Planes (June 14, 2023 at 10:48 PM).

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    • June 14, 2023 at 11:48 PM
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    Your recent co-axial Kamov crop duster picture looked very extreme but it was real life! Can they have one lower ‘plane’ rotor tilting up on the same side as the other (opposite rotation) rotor tilting down?

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    • June 15, 2023 at 12:15 AM
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    Yes, that's the case. That is why the designers had to determine the distance between the two rotor planes in such a way that it was not too much, but that the blades did not collide. This danger is greater at low rotor speed (idling on the ground). Therefore, the left pedal must be engaged below 60% rotor speed. In this case, the lower rotor is at a low pitch angle, the upper one at a high pitch angle. Then the distance between the two rotor planes is the largest.

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    • June 15, 2023 at 4:06 AM
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    The autorotation maneuver is somewhat complicated in the UH60 Black hawk since the rotor blades lose energy even if the nose is turned down. But it is possible with practice. Instead the R22 and EC 135 is easy. I love helicopters. What do you think?

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    • June 15, 2023 at 9:55 AM
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    Meanwhile the main post was the rotors clipping in the body😅

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    • June 15, 2023 at 1:08 PM
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    Quote from Captain AE

    Meanwhile the main post was the rotors clipping in the body😅

    Yes, and I also wrote that the up and down movement of the rotor blades is (also) probably exaggerated in the simulator, this may be the reason. Sorry if I made it too complicated. :)

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    • June 17, 2023 at 3:35 AM
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    Quote from Juan507Antonio

    The autorotation maneuver is somewhat complicated in the UH60 Black hawk since the rotor blades lose energy even if the nose is turned down. But it is possible with practice. Instead the R22 and EC 135 is easy. I love helicopters. What do you think?

    Autorotations are not implemented correctly...

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    • June 17, 2023 at 10:36 AM
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    Quote from Kishan8907

    Autorotations are not implemented correctly...

    What's wrong with them?

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    • June 17, 2023 at 2:33 PM
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    By the way, if you are skilled enough you can also shred the airframe with the EC135. :(

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    • June 17, 2023 at 8:35 PM
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    Las autorrotaciones no están implementadas correctamente...

    I understand. But if I like to do the maneuver, although complicated in the UH60 but it is possible.

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    • June 18, 2023 at 5:01 AM
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    Quote from Small Planes

    What's wrong with them?

    Energy management is not correctly modelled...

    You cannot get any speed by losing altitude when engine fails...

    If you want to know what I mean follow these for ec135:

    1. Takeoff like a real helicopter does(Takeoff backwards keeping an eye on helipad... Takeoff decision point for ec135 is 120ft AGL).

    2. Fail both engines at 120ft.

    3. TRY to land in helipad which is in front of you.

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    • June 18, 2023 at 5:02 AM
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    Quote from Juan507Antonio

    I understand. But if I like to do the maneuver, although complicated in the UH60 but it is possible.

    Yes, autorotations with forward speed can be achieved and it is also not realistic.

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    • June 18, 2023 at 9:37 PM
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    Quote from Kishan8907

    Takeoff decision point for ec135 is 120ft AGL

    Is there any description of this take off procedure?

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    • June 19, 2023 at 7:45 AM
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    Is there any description of this take off procedure?

    Watch rotorsimxp for detailed ec135 procedures:

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    • June 19, 2023 at 5:59 PM
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    Watch rotorsimxp for detailed ec135 procedures:

    https://youtube.com/@rotorsimxp

    I wached this video:

    Tutorial VTOL Procedures EC 135 V5

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    This is where the 120 ft decision height really comes into play. I'm not very good at English, but I think this refers to the stoppage of only one engine, not two. Land below 120 ft, continue the flight above it in one engine mode.

    I think this because every helicopter has a height/velocity diagram, on which the areas where a safe landing is not guaranteed are marked. I couldn't find the EC135 anywhere on the internet, maybe because it has two engines. That's why I'm uploading a diagram with a single engine, the EC135 can be almost similar without an engine. This shows the approximate altitude from which you can land safely without an engine starting from a horizontal speed of 0 kt.

    Here is the article:

    https://www.flight-study.com/2020/07/heightvelocity-diagram-helicopter.html

    Edited once, last by Small Planes (June 19, 2023 at 10:16 PM).

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    • June 19, 2023 at 6:27 PM
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    Do you need to release a clutch to autorotate the 135 or the Black Hawk? I do on the R-22 on PC (via joystick buttons). The 'expert mode' PC R-22 is .... interesting.

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    • June 19, 2023 at 6:43 PM
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    On the 135 I usually push these emergency stop buttons to autorotate without the engines. Otherwise, it is enough to just put down the collective. The Robinson is really quite agile. :)

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