Has anybody posted anywhere a video showing the VR hands in use? I've tried telling my email friends about the new feature, but "a video is worth a thousand words". I've considered making my own, but since my WMR HMD is not officially supported yet, and kind of iffy, a video made with Oculus or Vive would be better. Something that shows setting the dials (barometer?), controlling the stick, setting flaps, etc. would be great (and promotionally beneficial?).
May I ask, what do you feel are limitations using the WMR HMD?
I haven't researched WMR much yet, are there motion controllers available for it?
Yes, the WMR headsets have controllers available and they all work the same regardless of the brand of WMR headset because they all use the Microsoft WMR platform and they all use SteamVR.
OK, thank you. I'm looking more regarding how they work with the new virtual hands feature.
We need to know how to support WMR users and it will help to understand from someone using them with Aerofly.
I didn't notice it before, but the Steam page now shows that AF2 officially supports WMR.
With IPACS already supporting Vive & SteamVR, WMR headsets are also informally considered supported since they are SteamVR-based. I don't think IPACS has to do anything else to support them.
The WMR controllers do have vibration motors (you'll feel 1 buzz when you turn them on and 2 buzzes when you turn them off) but Microsoft hasn't enabled them for Steam games yet - sounds like that will be soon.
Currently, I don't think the Vive motors are working in FS2, once IPACS fixes that and Microsoft does their part, we should then have WMR controller motor feedback.
I do think it would be useful for IPACS to own a Samsung Odyssey for the resolution vs performance data since it's the highest resolution of the 3 platforms and it's the same resolution (and probably the same display panels) that will be in the next version of the Vive = VivePro.
Guys, thank you very much for your honest and detailed responses here.
I don't know if I can get Torsten or Marc to buy one but I certainly may do so for comparison sake and testing.
So you are saying that if we fix some of the bugs and make some tweaks here and there the Samsung Odyssey with motion control will work well with Aerofly?
Also, compared to the resolution and optical quality of the Oculus Rift, would you say that Aerofly looks and performs better in the Odyssey?
I was trying to say I think the Odyssey is working as well as the Vive is working with Aerofly. Any bug fixes for the Vive will also help all the WMR headset users.
Regarding the Odyssey vs Rift comparison - I don't have a Rift. I've seen a pixels-per-degree comparison of the headsets and the numbers were:
11 = Vive & Rift (pixels per degree)
14 = Odyssey
30 = needed for 1080p-like resolution in VR
60 = human eye
Performance-wise at a render scale factor of 1.0 for both at 90 FPS, the Vive/Rift need 234M pixels/sec versus 414M pixels/sec for the Odyssey. A standard 1080p monitor at 60 FPS needs just 126M pixels/sec but a 4K monitor at 60 FPS needs almost 500M pixels/sec.
If you have any 4K monitors for your high-end monitor testing scenarios, adding an Odyssey would cover you for the VR high-end testing.
With IPACS already supporting Vive & SteamVR, WMR headsets are also informally considered supported since they are SteamVR-based.
Ken,
Just for my edification, can you clarify what you mean by "WMR headsets are ... SteamVR-based"? The WMR Portal (cliff house) runs content that doesn't require SteamVR to be installed. Also, DCS and XPlane 11 don't seem to need SteamVR for their VR support. I'm a little confused on this and it's in my nature to understand how things work. Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
-=Roy=-
Here is a video showing hands in action: FLY WITH VR HANDS! | Aerofly FS 2 Flight Simulator Update: VR Controller Support (Video)
I'm not a software expert but I'll take a shot at explaining it. Game developers use SDKs so their software will meet the interface standards used with hardware and the hardware guys, in turn, develop drivers so their hardware also works with those same standards.
Valve developed the "OpenVR" SDK and HTC developed a driver so their Vive would work with OpenVR-based games. WMR headsets also have an OpenVR driver so I was generalizing that Vive = OpenVR = SteamVR and WMR = OpenVR, therefore WMR = Vive/SteamVR .
A real programmer would probably say I butchered that!
Obviously, if Microsoft has some bugs in their WMR driver, then a WMR headset could have issues when running Aerofly that a Vive headset wouldn't encounter. I was hoping to make the point that with IPACS limited resources, they just need to make the Rift/Vive users happy because Vive's cousin (WMR) will probably be happy too.
Here is a video showing hands in action: FLY WITH VR HANDS! | Aerofly FS 2 Flight Simulator Update: VR Controller Support (Video)
Thanks!
I do remember some menu issues trying to poke the buttons with the VR hands. I'd be curious to hear if any Vive users are having the same issue. Seems like most VR users here are Rift-based.
I have Oculus CV1 and HTC Vive, but I have been recently converted to Windows MR after purchasing Samsung Odyssey. For flight sim, Odyssey is better than O/V in major areas. It has bigger FOV and bigger sweet spot, better resolution, more comfortable to wear, and most important for me, it's easier to setup for my space. My room is quite crowded. I have to put the joystick on my computer desk that's very close to the wall and barely covered by Oculus sensors and HTC lighthouses. Now Odyssey completely solved the problem, as it needs no sensors at all! I can even hide the virtual boundary if needed. The view is also obviously clearer thanks for the increased resolution. I simply can't go back.
I have Oculus CV1 and HTC Vive, but I have been recently converted to Windows MR after purchasing Samsung Odyssey. For flight sim, Odyssey is better than O/V in major areas. It has bigger FOV and bigger sweet spot, better resolution, more comfortable to wear, and most important for me, it's easier to setup for my space. My room is quite crowded. I have to put the joystick on my computer desk that's very close to the wall and barely covered by Oculus sensors and HTC lighthouses. Now Odyssey completely solved the problem, as it needs no sensors at all! I can even hide the virtual boundary if needed. The view is also obviously clearer thanks for the increased resolution. I simply can't go back.
Hm... that sounds interesting. I have a Rift but I also have a very small space to play in. I like the bigger FOV and better resolution and also that you don't need sensors: I didn't know that (because I lost interest in VR and never had a look at the Odussey). I may have to check out some reviews.
